Your attempt to play the minutia is a feeble attempt at displacing reality. You made a statement pertaing to the number of wolves in packs, which is another wolf lie being exposed, there are plenty of pack that exceed a dozen wolves, which was exactly my point, that pack of wolves in Canada exceeds 20 wolves, there are packs in Idaho, Montana and Wyoming that all exceed the claim nice little family unit the emotional would want us to believe.

You are also seriously behind the times as far as wolf weights. There were two wolves in N. Idaho alone the week I posted that comment that went 127 and 131, as well as several others.

One little point of deception IDFG likes ot play in their ‘average’ weight of wolves is the fact that many of the weights factored into their average were dressed and/or skinned wolves. Not to hard to kill an average that way.

Just as Idaho has far more than the claimed 750 wolves, they also have their share of 125#+ wolves. IDFG just isn’t that reliable of a source for information, what they do have is old, and most of it is intentionally skewed through manufactured computer models, ironically rewritten just before the wolf introduction. I am not going to hold my breath, and I would suggest you don’t either……but you are going to see some serious personnel in IDFG in the next few years.

I find it interesting that you question the number of wolves……there is a pack in Yellowstone that I believe has 17 verified members of larger than average wolves that have developed a specialty in killing bison.

There was also a pack outside Jackson Hole a few years ago with 22 wolves in it.

As far as the pictures goes…..there are some really big wolves out there. A 130 pounder, which are turning out not be all that uncommon, is one big elk eating beast.

Another point to be made. Although there have only been two humans killed by wolves in NA in the last ten years, there have been many wolf encounters that many knowledgeable biologists attribute to prey testing. Just another step closer to more attacks.

In recent weeks there have been several wolf incidents where they are coming into peoples yards and killing pets, once they get that close to peoples property, there will be no good outcome.

I agree with you on the point of the mislabeled pictures, it makes me crazy too. We have enough solid evidence and factual information to make our case without confusing information. But then again, I would not put it past pro wolfers in potentially creating that disclaimer by doing the mislabeling themselves. I always stress to the people I work with to keep it accurate and make no comments they can not validate.

You’ll have to be more specific on which photo you are referencing. I do not use photos I believe are phony or have been Photoshopped. I have many photos of huge wolves that have been altered and none have been used on this website. If you are referring to the photo of a string of wolves in a large pack (might be 24, I haven’t counted), I received that by email and I have looked it over in Photoshop. There is no evidence that photo has been retouched or added to in any manner. When you blow them up to 800X the original, it is pretty easy to look at the pixels and see if it has been doctored. This photo has not been, IMO. That is the best I can tell you.

Bob

6/20/11 Follow the loot

A recently (2008) published book, “Green, Inc.”, by Christine MacDonald, unmasks a little discussed aspect of the wolf-related agonies being forced on residents of the Pacific Northwest. Rather than being just another rich, spoiled-brat treatise on the importance of a “green” lifestyle by an Al Gore clone, Ms. MacDonald’s book details the sources of the revenue stream that finances perpetual motion “green” lawsuits. A list of enviro-oriented organizations includes many that also sponsor/finance pro-wolf lawsuits, and since even wolf-loving lawyers run on money (lots and lots of money!) large corporations (think Wally World, et. al) are milked for contributions in exchange for a “green” endorsement from the “environmental” movement.

Ms. MacDonald’s documentation of the blatant hypocrisy of many of the “…nearly twelve thousand environmental groups in the United States alone.” (Page 12, Para. 3) reveals the real motivation behind the lawsuits, lawsuits that are financed through donations generated by the propaganda machines (non-profits, enviros, etc.) that distribute gorgeous pictures and emotional text about huge and beautiful (but supposedly harmless cousins on Fido’s and Fifi’s family tree) resulting in contributions exceeding a grand total of….according to Ms. MacDonald….1 TRILLION $ PER YEAR!!! (Page 15, Para. 2). That kind of money supports lifestyles approximating that of the Obama royal family. And man, does it ever buy access to the CEO’s of huge corporations that desperately crave “green” endorsements from these very same “environmentalist” organizations.

Needless to say, there’s plenty of bucks to hire fleets of lawyers too, whose endless lawsuits force people like us to live with a destructive, non-native, parasite-infested, invasive species that wouldn’t be tolerated for a heartbeat in the hallowed halls, homes, courtrooms, or back yards of either the so-called “environmentalist” groups nor their well-heeled sugar-daddies. As usual, it’s the money, Stupid!

Keith Lunders
Elk River, Idaho 83827
208-826-3219

Submitted to:
The Citizen magazine
P.O. Box 82
Grangeville, Idaho 83530

Dave Johnson
http://www.thecitizen8.org
email@thecitizen8.org
1-888-742-2763

My brother-in-law watched a wolf, and it watched him, intently, for about 20 minutes, in the Little Naches area, which is just west of the dead center of the state, while hunting there over twenty years ago. Very far away from, and long before, the wolf packs were introduced into the Methow (very north central) part of the state. These two areas are well over 200 miles apart.

I saw a wolf over fifteen years ago, while driving home late one night in a snow storm. It was not a fleeting glimpse. I had to nearly stop the car, and it was directly in front of me, not more than twenty yards away, fully illuminated by my hi-beam headlights. This was in a non-populated area, and over five miles from any house. I was able to observe it for several seconds. I know what domestic dogs looks like, including Malamutes, Huskies, and so forth. I have had this type of dog as a pet. I know what a coyote looks like. I have seen many of them in my lifetime. This was a wolf, I am quite certain. This occurred over 150 miles from where these non-native wolves have been introduced, some eight to ten years later.

A friend of my wife’s watched a wolf from a mountain pass rest area, nearly 300 miles from where these wolves have been introduced. She was standing outside her vehicle, taking a break from driving. She said it did not appear afraid of her, and she thought it not menacing, and might be used to people. It seems more probable that she was alone, and so was the wolf, and it was sizing her up, calculating the difficulty of the kill. Had this been a pack of introduced Canadian wolves, would the outcome likely have been more traumatic for her? From what I have read, the answer is almost surely, “yes!”

These are all first-hand accounts. I have read of countless more. It defies logic that all these sightings can be dismissed as domestic dogs and escaped hybrid pets. What seems more likely, is that Washington has several small, surviving packs of native wolves. The sheer abundance of eye witness accounts would indicate that Washington’s native species of wolf are still here, across the entire north of the state, and centrally throughout the state, in the forests bordering the Cascade range. Wait a minute. These are also generally areas where Washington has lower human population, established elk herds, and a lack of tremendous pressure from modern firearm hunters. Perhaps a correlation? Are these packs now imminently threatened? Will our possibly few remaining native numbers be lost forever by the introduction of these larger, more aggressive, possibly healthier and more robust Canadian wolves? Oh, I should mention, the WDFW actually collars and tracks all these introduced wolves, and when it is apparent one is dead, they retrieve the animal and collar, and every couple dead wolves are replaced with new, healthy ones. Natural selection? HA! Hardly. If we actually do have any surviving numbers of a native species, our publicly-supported biologists may be essentially sealing these remaining wolves’ fate. They are nearly certainly engineering their final demise. Not to mention the decimation that is going to occur to the elk herds. It’s not just sad. It is an absolute outrage! I still cannot come to grips with the fact that we now live in a country where feel-good programs, and political correctness annihilate all semblance of fact and reason. What have we done to ourselves? The wolf issue is only a visible symptom of a much, much deeper social poisoning and corruption. Those responsible absolutely need to be held accountable.